Who do atheists thank?

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Their creators, of course.

Thanks, Mom and Dad! You provided me with 23 chromosomes each, and I strive every day to make the best of them since I realize my limited command of these 46 chromosomes is temporary. I take your gift and live each day to the fullest!

The title of this post was a question posed at MetroDaily News. I registered and left my comment above. I’ve noticed two or three things on the internet questioning whether atheists could be thankful or not and it strikes me as a no-brainer.

I’m also thankful for our Sun, the star that provides the energy our planet consumes for photosynthesis and the warmth we need to avoid the cold, darkness of space. That warmth and photosynthesis is at the base of our ecosystems, which ultimately make the turkey, potatoes, and home-made cranberry sauce a reality on my table today.

Sure, nearly any religionist can ultimately pin their thanks on a supernatural, imagined being once they encounter a point at which they are ignorant. For some, that point arrives closer in the chain of events that we call reality than for others. But all religious believers would probably like to point out that I can’t thank a sun and try to argue that to be thankful I must be willing to thank a “who” -but this, of course, is pure nonsense. I can be thankful without thanking an imagined being. I can be grateful for coincidence, happenstance, or random chance. Just the other day, I was 10 cents short for a diet coke from the machine at work so I decided to check the coin return. There was a dime left by someone who overlooked their change. I was thankful for that person’s carelessness and grateful for the coincidence. No thanks to any single agent, just the results.

So happy Thanksgiving, folks! Whether you’re a theist or an atheist, be thankful for [insert whatever].

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Another Failure of Christianity

An a clear indication that Christian schools should have better oversight and accountability. Or banned as the cult centers they truly are.

This school, run by at least one sexual pervert, has 89 students from grades 7-12.

The video was making its rounds on the net, but the story must have been rather old judging by the dates on the funny comments at this site for user reviews.

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Monday Motivational #2

…because Mondays should start with coffee and a funny.

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Monday Motivational #1

…because Mondays need coffee and motivation to start the day.

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BBC Debates Blasphemy

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I was apparently invited to call in based on my modest comments in my previous post which were, admittedly, not as well thought out as I probably could have. Still, its the second time I’ve been invited to speak my views on a radio call show. It’s also twice now that I haven’t been able to do it. I found out too late this time. For the previous invitation, the show was cancelled before I was scheduled!

Still, if you’re interested in a very brief debate on the BBC’s World Have Your Say, click on this podcast link (it links to the MP3 file). Here’s the show-notes page on their blog, which also has the podcast link. Skip to about 40 min into the podcast unless you want to listen to the first debate about the Amazon Pedophile book.

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The Spell of Islam: Difficult to Break

“The Quran is fake and your prophet remained in bed for one month before his death because he had worms in his ears and mouth. He married Khadija just for money and after looting her kicked her out of the house.”

At least this is what a Pakistan policeman alleges that Asia Bibi said to Muslims in Pakistan. Bibi was arrested and tried for blasphemy (you know, that victim-less crime?) then sentenced to die for her words. Bibi is a Christian mother of five and claims the charges against her are false, and that she is being persecuted for her own superstition in a nation with a majority that follow cults of Islam.

Regardless, only the most backward of societies -the most primitive of this world- would still have the barbaric and mindless law which allows a death sentence for blasphemy. As a government, Pakistan’s is the laughing stock of the world. It’s people are pitiful and backward not stand up for common sense and human rights above any superstition.

And they’re not alone. In Palestine, a once anonymous blogger was arrested in a sting operation for blaspheming Allah and his silly “prophet” Muhammad. He faces life in prison for his “crime” and one superstitious resident of his town (Qalqiliya, Palestine) said he “should be burned to death.”

Jesus fucking christ on a stick. Burned to death! For talking shit about a supernatural being that clearly either doesn’t exist or doesn’t care since he let the man speak his mind.

Blasphemy laws and the sentences carried out under them are evidence that man’s gods are invented. If a god truly is all-powerful, then why would someone criticizing it in public be any sort of threat?  If the god is real, let the god strike the “blasphemer” down. This is a way for religious hierarchy to police it’s followers. “At its peak, Husayin’s Arabic-language blog had more than 70,000 visitors, overwhelmingly from Arab countries.” That’s a lot of potential apostates. For those in power in Islam to remain in power, they have to keep the ignorant in line.

It just doesn’t do for people to start to question or think.

H/T: Pharyngula

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Of What Use is a Degree in Theology?

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Rationally, a degree in theology is of no honest use. Of course, there’s a dishonest use for such an “achievement,” but I can think of zero utility that obtaining a theological degree would have for anyone.

Theology is the study of religion and religious practice and experience. But not in any useful sense since it’s specifically the study of God from an assumption that this God actually exists. In theory, one could have a theology for any god that man has invented through time. There are Islamic and Hindu theologies. Many universities offer “degrees” in theology, particularly those universities that were founded with religion at the forefront. Notre Dame has a Department of Theology. You can earn a “doctorate” in theology, tack a clever Ph.D. after your name and forever more demand that friends and acquaintances refer to you as “Dr. This” or “Dr. That.”

As a doctoral student at Notre Dame, you will be mentored by world-class scholars, access vast research and learning opportunities, and experience depth and diversity in curricula and communities. The Doctoral Program places a very high percentage of its graduates in academic positions, the vast majority of those in tenure-track positions.

“Vast research” and “tenure-track positions.”

What can you do with a Ph.D. in theology?

Apparently teach more people about “theology.” Or preach. Or write books about “theology.”

But you’re still less qualified to flip burgers at McDonald’s than a high school drop out. You can’t create anything of utility (architecture, printed circuit designs, new polymer plastics, new computer operating systems, etc.). You can’t discover anything real about the world -about the actual history of humanity and life on the planet with any meaningful (to reality) sense.

You’re stuck being a minister, pastor, “theologian,” professor of “theology,” writer, or some other low-skilled position. I can hear the objections: “but writers have skillz!”

Definitely. But if all you’re writing about is what you know…

So what happens to theologians who grow up, realize they wasted hundreds of hours of their youth, thousands of dollars, and have little to show for it? You resort to cognitive dissonance, compartmentalize and rationalize your “theological” worldview -tell yourself over and over your beliefs are real, valid, and worth the above expenses, and shout down anyone that says otherwise.

It’s a tough world out there. Suddenly you come to your senses, you have a “theological degree” and you’ve got a decent-paying gig as a minister, a wife and 2.5 kids, dog, mortgage, two car payments, credit card bills…. You can be honest and say, “you know what? I’ve been lying to myself and the congregation all this time! I can’t believe this superstitious mumbo-jumbo about resurrections, virgin births, transubstatiation, and zombie messiahs anymore. Guys… I’m an atheist.”

You’d also be unemployed and discovering that your burger-flipping skills need work.

“Dr.” West at Zingliusredivivus had this to say about a recent “atheist minister” story run by ABCNews yesterday:

There’s only one reason an atheist would be a minister or an unbelieving minister would remain in his pastoral office- money.  M-O-N-E-Y.  Fearful of the job search, the ‘pastor’ who doesn’t believe is the most profound of all hypocrites. [...] Cowards … and liars too and unworthy of any sort of respect.

I agree with the beginning of his quotes above. Money is a powerful and valid motivator. And it is hypocritical to pretend belief. But no more dishonest than those that pretend to study “theology” and claim they have some sort of genuine academic standing. Liars? Sure. But so is the holder of the Ph.D. in “theology.” The difference between them and the atheist ministers mentioned in the story is that the latter are at least honest with themselves.

“Theology” is no more significant or important than “fairyology.” Or, as Thomas Paine put it, “[t]he study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on no principles; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing; and it admits of no conclusion. Not anything can be studied as a science, without our being in possession of the principles upon which it is founded; and as this is the case with Christian theology, it is therefore the study of nothing.”

The study of “theology” reminds me of those guys that sit around studying Klingon language and customs, or people who play Dungeons and Dragons. But only to a point since, generally speaking, these good folk don’t truly believe they are Klingons or Wizard Elves.

Every once in a while, Jimbo seems to get rubbed the wrong way by an atheist or atheism -perhaps it threatens his own worldview (that cognitive dissonance again)- and he has to write something scathing to ridicule or belittle those who hold a more rational perspective than he. In fact, that’s how I discovered his little blog. He declared the war.

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Son of Michael Behe discusses his atheism

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There’s a fascinating discussion going on at Reddit started by the son of creationist-biochemist Michael Behe who is revealing his recent “deconversion” from Catholicism in particular, theism in general. I’ve included a few snippets here, but follow the link above and below for the full discussion which is probably still unfolding.

At seventeen, I was something of a little thinker, and I liked questioning everything and looking at issues from different sides. I had never applied that to religion, so I eventually decided to dive right in and listen to the opposing side. I had the utmost confidence in my faith, and I was a very devout Catholic. The first book I read against religion was Dawkins’ “The God Delusion“. While I didn’t (and still don’t) agree with everything he said, I tried to empty my mind of assumptions and reformed opinions as much as possible. I read through the whole book in two days, and the result was quite shocking to me. It was like taking off rose-colored glasses for the first time. I realized how questionable religion might sound to some who had not grown up around it. And that was the foundation of my change- it took quite a while to accept, I’d say about six months, but the more I read, the more I realized that religion’s claims were simply unfounded.

When asked about the quality of his relationship with his family and the backlash he received, salty914 (the atheist-Behe’s nom de Reddit) had this to say:

Bad. And I do confidently blame religion for this. I certainly don’t think it always turns out this way, but my stubbornness in maintaining and voicing my beliefs conflicted with my parents’ policy of keeping the rest of my family shielded from alternate viewpoints. “Indoctrination”, unfortunately, is really the word that describes it best, and I do believe that my younger brothers (the members of my family I am closest to) are truly being hurt by this. So my parents and I are in perpetual disagreement. I have, for the most part, stopped talking to my parents, and I am not allowed to speak to my little brothers at all.

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The vast majority of families that I know are devout Christians, often Catholic. I have been cut off from several of my friends, I have been rather demonized by parents of my friends, and in the case of one family, my friend’s father threatened her that she would not have a normal life unless she severed contact with me completely. I am either spoken to with curtness and disdain or am not spoken to at all by many families I know.

This, I think, is one of the built in safe-guards the spell of religion has that prevents so many people from questioning their religious doctrines to begin with or, if they do, from voicing their disagreement or acting on it by leaving their churches. One is left to wonder how many people feel too trapped to escape or even question religious indoctrinations. My hat is off to the salty-Behe. I was lucky not to be saddled with a deeply religious family so my atheism isn’t even a blip on their collective radar. His courage and integrity to think for himself and be his own person is commendable.

When asked for, “insights into how the mental compartmentalization which allows someone with a decent education to be a creationist works?” Behe had this to say:

After not questioning an issue for twenty years, hearing everyone and everything around you affirm it repeatedly, the brain becomes so used to looking at it in a certain way- as truth, in this example- that it can be very difficult or even nearly impossible for you to look at the issue without that desensitization in the back of your head assuring you that it’s true and can’t be disproved. I know someone has reached that point when literally nothing I can say will change their minds. [...] the idea will not require any detectable amount of proof after lying stagnant in the creationists’ head for so many years. They will look at it and it will appear absolutely normal and completely plausible. This is the damage that indoctrination causes.

It’s definitely an on-going “tribulation” for him, as he still resides in the Behe home and has to adhere to their rules:

…there is a LOT of tension in the house. I was probably a full-blown atheist for about a year before I told my parents… around here, you get used to keeping secrets. I couldn’t take it longer than that. When I did them, it was essentially an appeal to let me live my life and not drag me along for every Mass, every Confession, Rosary, etc. That didn’t work, to put it lightly. If anything, they are now more strict about forcing me to go to church because they believe I am in need of “graces” that I can attain from church. And of course, this has only increased my dislike of religion.

There’s a lot more discussion at Reddit and hopefully more to come. I doubt we’ve seen the last of salty914, the atheist son of Behe! He remarks his intent to write and try his hand at journalism. Perhaps he’ll start a blog and join us in the Atheosphere, if he hasn’t already.

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Meet the Guy Living in His Mom’s Basement: Dennis Markuze

I received another one of his B**b Quake emails yesterday, apparently I’m on the list with a bunch of Harvard atheists that seems to include Steven Pinker.

In it, Markuze brags that he met (sort of) PZ Myers in a hastily written post script:

go post this up on “pharnygula”. I’ve had an opportunity to see PZ’s ugly face in real life! I am spamming the world from the Delta Hotel where the convention is taking place…

So I think to myself, hmm… I wonder if anyone shot any video or photos that caught him on camera.

Low and behold (or more like LOL and behold!), here he is!

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Let’s face it. Dennis looks just like we thought.

According to PZ Myers (a.k.a. Pharyngula), Markuze didn’t hang around.

A while after someone pulled a fire alarm in the hotel, he appeared in the hall, ranted and raged and argued incoherently with a few of the attendees, and then…ran away. Really! He ran off!

I wonder if he pulled the fire alarm. LOL.

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A few posts back, I wrote of the troop hazing / proselytizing that Major General James Chambers subjected his soldiers to.

Apparently Gen. Chambers’ niece is upset with me:

Okay! I will put it to you this way! I hope everyone of you that don’t believe in the trinity change your mind before you get your life taken away.

Huh? First of all, even if I did subscribe to your superstition, where in biblical mythology is “the trinity” discussed? The word “trinity” isn’t used a single time in the bible in any language (Hebrew, Greek, or Aramaic). Second, belief in such a thing would be polytheism, since a ‘trinity’ is clearly a pantheon rather than a single deity. Yet another reason why Christianity makes no sense at all.

You all are judging someone you don’t even know.

I’m not judging him. I don’t have that sort of authority. I am, however, being heavily critical of him. As is my right and privilage, if not my duty as an American. True patriots in this nation stand up to tyranny and injustice, criticizing it. I need not know Chambers in order to be qualified to criticize his actions.

Major General James E Chambers is a real man

As opposed to an imaginary one?

anyone who can be in the command that he is and proclaims that he is a christian will be rewarded from GOD and here on the earth he will face tribulations from all the people that don’t have very much knowledge and don’t have anything better to do than be lazy and think of ways to get attention or a check without working.

Haven’t you heard? It’s the atheists who understand religion not the religious. Moreover, anyone in the command he is in who proclaims his superstition the way he does, is someone we should be worried about. If he’s true to his superstition, Chambers thinks Jesus is going to return and that the United States is irrelevant on the alleged “grand scale of things.” Why should we expect Chambers to be loyal to his nation or his soldiers when he believes in a 2,000 year-old mythology and in an imaginary sky-daddy who will save us all from an “anti-christ?” He’s batshit. And we should truly worry about such people commanding soldiers and weapons.

But what I don’t get is to whom were you referring with the comment that includes, “don’t have anything better to do than to be lazy and think of ways to get attention or a check without working”? And what would such a person (probably a Christian, according to the General Social Survey) have to do with the issue at hand?

Major General James E Chambers is my uncle and he has worked hard his whole life.

Iron workers work hard. Coal miners work hard. Construction workers work hard. In the Army: infantry men, who walk all day to their next battlefield only to dig a hole to sleep in for the night when they aren’t on guard-duty work hard; the tank mechanics who work 24/7 with very little sleep just to make sure their tankers can shoot, move and communicate work hard; the cook who gets up at 3:00 am to start breakfast for the infantrymen, the mechanics, the tankers and the General work hard. The General, your uncle included, works hard at avoiding paper cuts and saluting to soldiers in a pass and review. He works hard at very little else. I can say this as a retired non-commissioned officer, who was in charge of some very hard-working soldiers.

To all of you that are jealous that he made something of his life

For what reason would anyone have to be jeleous and why would it be relevant to his violations of Army regulations? Or are you just making a juvenile argument in defense of your uncle rather than addressing the issue at hand. Your uncle violated Army Regulations and the spirit of Equal Opportunity. He deserves a reprimand at the very least. His judgement is comprimised by his belief in his superstition, making him unfit for command. Hopefully, he’s in a position now where he has no influence over troop deployments and training. Perhaps he’s better suited to make sure the beans and bullets get where they need to go. Let him pray for their safe arrival all he wants; let him proselytize to cases of MREs and pallets of toilet tissue.

and still gives glory to GOD I will pray that one day you find GOD! May GOD bless each and everyone of you that read this. Thank YOU, Jan

Which god? Zeus? Quetzacoatl? Chac? Ptah? Ra? Thor? Man has invented thousands of gods. Yours is but a single figment of human imagination that will one-day be replaced by yet another god. Pray all you want. I have more productive things to do with my time, Jan.

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