William Lane Craig: Animals Don’t Suffer; Therefore God Exists

Across several posts on his site (which doesn’t seem to allow commentary from readers), WLC makes some fantastic claims about animal pain and how it proves the existence of his god. I’ve taken the liberty of highlighting the relevant texts using a Google Chrome plugin that also creates a tiny url (I’ll edit this post later with a link to the plugin -I’m really loving it so far).

In his first post on the topic, WLC says:

…the awareness that one is oneself in pain requires self-awareness, which is centered in the pre-frontal cortex of the brain—a section of the brain which is missing in all animals except for the humanoid primates. Thus, amazingly, even though animals may experience pain, they are not aware of being in pain. God in His mercy has apparently spared animals the awareness of pain. This is a tremendous comfort to us pet owners. For even though your dog or cat may be in pain, it really isn’t aware of it and so doesn’t suffer as you would if you were in pain.

There are several things wrong with this.

First, and perhaps foremost, the pre-frontal cortex is present in animals outside the primate line. It’s a bit different (primates tend to have granularized cortices[1] ). But its shocking that WLC would so mindlessly and blindly go along with the philosopher he’s citing without so much as a Google search on the topic. Mice have a prefrontal cortex and they use it!

WLC is citing the work of philosopher Michael Murray, who suggests that animals aren’t aware of their pain (therefore god exists) -but Murray has some fatal flaws in his work. Murray differentiates humans from other animals by claiming (with minimal evidenciary support) that there exists a “affective pathway” which allows for self-awareness -this pathway, he says, terminates in the prefrontal cortex in humans. Because non-human animals aren’t self aware of their pain, according to Murray, they aren’t suffering. In other words, gratuitous evil is not present.

But lets suppose it’s the granular layer that’s found in primate cortices that makes the difference. This granular layer is present in many non-human primates, and yet these primates experience pain and are clearly, demonstrably aware of it. Gratuitous evil, therefore, exists among non-human primates that suffer predation, abuse, natural disasters, anthropogenic habitat destruction, infanticide, etc., etc.

If gratuitous evil exists, god can neither be omnipotent or benevolent. Therefore, god doesn’t exist. It’s not my reasoning, it’s the reasoning of WLC and Michael Murray. Surely one or both would move their goalposts accordingly if called on it, so I’m not expecting either to revise their positions. That would be too much like science.

Another thing wrong with WLC’s ignorant and uninformed statement above: “even though animals may experience pain, they are not aware of being in pain.” Seriously? WLC and Murray clearly haven’t done any scientific study on this, but the message WLC is sending certainly isn’t one that he pretends. It isn’t that “God loves animals and spared them the pain and wants us to be stewards of the Earth.” Its a message of “don’t worry about animals. Treat ‘em like shit -they don’t know they feel it anyway.”

No wonder Dawkins refuses to debate WLC. It would be something on the order of Einstein debating physics with Larry the Cable Guy.

  1. Semendeferi, K., E. Armstrong, A. Schleicher, K. Zilles, and G.W. Van Hoesen (2001). Prefrontal Cortex in Humans and Apes: A Comparative Study of Area 10. American Journal of Physical Anthropology, 114, pp. 224-241 []
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It’s true: atheists don’t give as much as the superstitious…

…but not for the reasons you might think

The Giving USA Foundation published a report in 2010[1] that concluded about $227 billion was donated to charity by individual Americans in 2009. The donations went to religion, education, human services, health, the arts, etc.

In the recent few years, several pundits have made a big to-do about how it is that it’s the religious that give the most to charity, leaving the secular, including atheists, as the less-caring, less-likely to do good for their neighbors. The “Atheism Sucks” blog writes:

conservatives who practice religion, live in traditional nuclear families and reject the notion that the government should engage in income redistribution are the most generous Americans, by any measure.

Conversely, secular liberals who believe fervently in government entitlement programs give far less to charity. They want everyone’s tax dollars to support charitable causes and are reluctant to write checks to those causes, even when governments don’t provide them with enough money.[2]

And he’s citing Brooks from 2006[3] in case anyone was curious.

But, luckily, real science has been done on the matter and the nature of charitable giving was examined as it correlates to political ideology. Previous arguments by Brooks and the anti-atheist blogger above, which make partially researched claims that conservative politics drives people to be more giving are not supported in light of evidence gathered by more careful methodology.

The authors of a more recent study that used this more careful methodology examined three separate philanthropic outcomes: donation to congregations, donations to noncongregational religious organizations and donations to noncongregational secular organziations.

And it’s true: the non-religious give less than the religious, even to secular charities.

But not for the reasons they (the religious-conservatives) want us to believe!

What religious-conservatives want everyone to believe is that generosity is a result of their politics and their religious ideologies. But what this more complete research indicates very strongly is that habits and practice are what drive charitable giving. Not ideology. When the controls used are just net of income and demographics, conservatives clearly give more to religious causes. But when one, single, additional variable is added, this changes the results drastically. And that variable is religious attendance. The researchers found that it sufficiently explained the statistical significance between liberals and conservatives in previous studies that omitted the variable.

Along with religious attendence, the addition of attending political meetings and other political activities also affected the results, lowering the statistical significance with the addition of each additional variable.

What this means is that it isn’t ideology driving charitable giving. It’s practice. In other words, the person who attends religious and civic meetings is being presented with opportunities to give to charities. Even Brooks agrees that charitable giving is habitual and learned through practice[4]. Where the authors and Brooks differ is in what part conservative political ideology has in the process. Brooks sees religious people as being more likely to be politically conservative, but the authors show this isn’t a variable that is as necessary to explain charitable giving as civic participation in general.

So what’s this mean for atheists?

It means, as we get more and more organized, as we are, our rates of charitable giving will increase. The good news is, that it will likely be for secular (and, thus, more likely to be important) causes. One thing that I noticed from the study is that the religious are most likely to donate to themselves. While there are definitely religious charities that do good work, I’m not convinced, by a long shot, that they are either generally as effective or as efficient as their secular counterparts.

As humanity continues to break the spell of religious affliction, we’ll continue to participate in social activities that create habits of giving. Secular student organizations, atheist meet-ups, and other non-religious groups that are increasing in size each year show this to be the case. I’m scheduled to pick up trash in the Adopt-a-Highway program and participate in a blood drive in the next 30 days… both due to atheist/secular civic and social participation. And groups like ours inlcude charities in our communications, announcements, and oral presentations in much the same way Church attendees get.

But even if the religious continue to always give more than the non-religious to charities because they were religious (and it isn’t this way at all) it still wouldn’t demonstrate that the religious were right about their beliefs and superstitions.

For a list of good, secular causes to donate to, click this link: Secular Charities.

References

Brooks, Arthur C. (2003). Religious faith and charitable giving. Policy Review 121(October):39–50.

Brooks, Arthur C. (2006). Who really cares: The surprising truth about compassionate conservatism. New York : Basic Books.

Giving USA Foundation (2010). Giving USA 2010. Indianapolis, IN: Giving USA Foundation: Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University.

Vaidyanathan, Brandon, Jonathan P. Hill, and Christian Smith (2011). Religion and Charitable Financial Giving to Religious and Secular Causes: Does Political Ideology Matter? Journal for the Scientific Study of Religion, 50(3), pp. 450-469.

  1. Giving USA Foundation. 2010. Giving USA 2010. Indianapolis, IN: Giving USA Foundation: Center on Philanthropy at Indiana University. []
  2. http://atheismsucks.blogspot.com/2006/11/study-proves-conservative-christians.html []
  3. Brooks, Arthur C.. 2006. Who really cares: The surprising truth about compassionate conservatism. New York : Basic Books. []
  4. Brooks, Arthur C. 2003. Religious faith and charitable giving. Policy Review 121(October):39–50.
    []
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An Atheist Registry?

By now, everyone in the Atheosphere has heard of pastor Michael Stahl, the numbnuts that wants to create a registry for atheists, comparing us to terrorists, the KKK, child molesters, and Lady Gaga. Okay, I made up the part about Lady Gaga.

But I thought I’d share this video by The Thinking Atheist. The quality is top-notch and the message is spot on.

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Stahl’s blog is now “by invite only” -no surprise since his traffic probably put his comments through the roof. And I’m sure he doesn’t want atheists reading his “plans.” As if we really give a shit.

But he’s quoted as saying:

“I mean, think about it. There are already National Registrys [sic] for convicted sex offenders, ex-convicts, terrorist cells, hate groups like the KKK, skinheads, radical Islamists, etc..” Stahl writes. “This type of ‘National Registry’ would merely be for information purposes.”

And he recently started providing email lists of atheists that have sent him emails to christians to do with as they wish[1].

I almost wish a national registry of atheists would get created for Christians. I think the shear number of atheists and the surprise of who were actually atheists would stagger the minds of many Christians enough that they’d have to think about why there were so many people who didn’t think as they do. People these Christians previously thought were one of them if based just on how they acted: good.

But I did say “almost.” This is evidence that there are Christians (as well as probably Muslims and other faiths) that are so bigoted and steeped in their delusions that they perceive atheists as a threat to be met with harshly. This is precisely the reason why atheists need to continue to be vocal and active.

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  1. http://blogs.browardpalmbeach.com/pulp/2011/09/atheist_national_registry_pastor_mike_stahl_sharing_emails.php []
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The Atheist Reader’s Choice Awards

If you don’t know, About.com’s reader’s choice awards are being compiled. Now’s the time to nominate your favorite atheist sites, podcast, books, etc. for 2010.

My nominations are:

Best Agnostic or Atheist Book of 2010: The New Atheism: Taking a Stand for Science and Reason, by Victor Stenger (even though this debuted in the fall of 2009, it was 2010 when I read it)
Best Agnostic or Atheist Blog: Atheist Revolution
Best Agnostic or Atheist Podcast: Reasonable Doubts
Best Agnostic or Atheist Website: Iron Chariots Wiki, by the Atheist Community of Austin
Best Agnostic or Atheist to Follow on Twitter: vjack of Atheist Revolution
Best Agnostic or Atheist Facebook Page: Atheist, Agnostic, and Non-Religious
Best Agnostic or Atheist Social Networking Website: Atheist Nexus
Best Agnostic or Atheist Forum: Rational Skepticism
Best Agnostic or Atheist Ad: “You Know it’s a Myth…” -if only because of the discussion and attention it created. The American Atheists paid over $20k, but I seem to recall a story that they made over $60k in new memberships and donations.

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Monday Motivational #7

… because sometimes you can’t even make this shit up!

From www.motifake.com

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Monday Motivational #6

… because Mondays deserve a little extra funny in the coffee.

From www.arrogantatheist.com

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The Wrong Virgin!

James Burrows, of Toledo, Ohio claims to have found an image of the Virgin Mary in his Xmas candy this year. You can click the link to see the video, but this is essentially what they show:

Alleged Virgin Mary

The wrong virgin

I’m here to tell you Burrows has the wrong virgin. To see the image as it was correctly intended (by divine intent of the mother goddess, no doubt), you need only turn the candy a bit.

Here’s the right virgin. Okay, strictly speaking, the mother goddess isn’t a virgin since she gave birth to the Earth. But she was… once.

The Right Virgin

The right virgin

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Religion Poisons Everything

What how these Sudanese religiots laugh as this poor woman is beaten in public.

Her crime? Indecent dressing. Bikini? Crotchless panties in public? No… trousers.

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The Christian Who Stole the Grinch

The pastor of a Dallas, TX church started a website called Grinchalert.com in which the ignorant can list businesses they feel have “offended” their superstition by not saying the word “christmas” in a greeting or holiday banner.

You really have to look on with utter fascination as the ignorant profess their dismay at being told “happy holidays” instead of “merry xmas.” The culture of O’Reilly / AM talk radio nutters see omission of their superstition and acknowledgement of the multiple holidays that exist in the 30 or so days surrounding the winter solstice as a “war” on their superstition. It’s largely a one-sided war, fought in their own minds, but the more they rant on about it, the more rational people should smack them back down.

Here’s the irony: many of these “naughty” listed businesses were discovered in the course of these good christians participating in the whole commercialized aspect of the holiday. They were xmas shopping! And the good pastor of the First Baptist Church of Dallas co-opted the name of one of the most secular symbols of xmas: Dr. Seuss’ Grinch. The Santa-pretender who discovered the true meaning of xmas, which was to give not get.

Not a word in Whoville about the baby Jebus.

The naughty list is a good guide for secular shoppers. Apparently Target is a good place to take your money since you won’t have to be bothered with all that nativity shit. Give me my snowmen, snowflakes, Santas and garland. Keep those non-xmas, tropical decorations of camels and palm trees and little barnyard scenes. Ugh.

Funny comment from Rockwall, TX about Rockwall Independent School District: “They won’t let anybody say Marry Christmas.”

Nor, apparently, do they do a good job of teaching how to spell. For shame Rockwall.

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Monday Motivational #5

… because Mondays shouldn’t begin with out one.

From www.arrogantatheist.com

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